I think the people that work here and don’t do it for “content” are the real heroes. If one’s only goal in combatting the scammers is to get views on youtube, social media etc. I think we are in trouble. With that there is no impetus to slow or end this scourge as we then would have no scammers? The raids are mostly for show. The governments paid off, the judges paid off, let them go and they setup shop somewhere else almost the next day. So we need new and REAL ways to combat the scumbags.
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Well I disagree, with some of your statements, because we run a small scammer-bait group. If you got the skills to go into a scammer computers; then do it! We use VM, and vpn,'s we do this all the time every-day. We destroy the call centers all week this is the quote your stated: “Typically, this is done by people who don’t know what they’re doing and just want to either troll the scammer or help but I am here to say, it doesn’t do much damage and even in cases it does, it isn’t the best option.” Who cares! It’s all about having fun. We like to take down call centers and piss the scammers off! I have IT background, and know how to do it, but I work now teaching at a college. My 3 friends know IT security and it’s been fun on discord and teaching other scambaiters to do the same thing! The scammers take millions and millions of money from victims every year. This is called payback. We love trolling the scammers and love messing around with them! And who cares what other people think. Have fun and let’s take down these call centers!!!
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I think any and every damage to scammers is good. Of course, take down all you can UNTIL there maybe is a day that we have better PREEMPTIVE actions. There are so many easy preemptive things we can do that we don’t. Checks and balances. You are incorrect on one thing NOT millions BILLIONS are stolen every year. How much are human lives valued at too. Teen males committing suicide because of sextortion or elderly that have had their life’s savings stolen that do the same. There needs to be consequences for X, Facebook, Gmail, Certain phone providers, and others that ENABLE scammers. Our goal should really be decimation and not having fun or getting views on youtube but I understand that that may motivate some even though I think there is a higher calling that many get. But I applaud you and anyone that does anything.
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Thanks again I did slightly edit some post like I hope you still agree. But I again say we are all warriors against tyrants that the scammers are.
Theoretically speaking encrypting the computer and everything on it would make the data unusable and also save the victims. As for legality much of scam baiting falls into the grey area. I think the individuals that make scammers suffer ARE DOING GODS WORK! No one else stands up for the innocent victims. Let’s be honest here if India disappeared tomorrow 99.9999% of all the world’s scams would disappear with it. Their own government openly allows them to do this and this allows the scammers to spread like cockroaches. Just my opinion.
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The problem is, having the reversal skills is different from knowing how to save victims, properly take them down and have law enforcement connections. It’s about having fun, sure but your goal should be to actually take down these people or expose them at the same time rather than nuke things for the fun. I am not the biggest fan of nuking, I still do it because YouTube and me wanting to make money off this, which you can argue is scummy but unlike some I do actually care about scambaiting, saving victims and don’t just do it for the money. Not throwing any shade to specific people, more making a point as I don’t know whose doing this.
My messages are open; I can get you in touch with the right people who know this, so you can sideload certain things but I can never whole heartly recommend people do what I do after me being a complete idiot and screwing things over for others when I started, me being horrible at this for years before I met the right people and seeing people change, goals changed and they became the scammer.
The way I see things is; if you don’t do things right, you will screw over victims more.
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It wouldn’t save victims because they’d have the important data either backed up or they wont care and will reset and scam new victims. The longer you have access, the more victims you can save.
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You’re right; ultimately, the fault lies with the U.S. government. They could make it nearly impossible for scammers to operate by implementing significant financial penalties. For instance, they could charge $10 per minute for VOIP calls originating from India, impose fines of $100,000 for each violation on the main company, and eliminate GDPR immunity for lawsuits filed by individuals with evidence of misuse of their services. Additionally, they could reach an agreement with the Indian government to ensure that call centers wishing to continue operating must cooperate with U.S. authorities. This would include imprisoning the main scammers—those stealing millions—in a secure U.S. facility for an indefinite period. The U.S. has the means to take action, but unfortunately, it seems that addressing this issue isn’t a priority for them.
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And how would you enforce all of this while not effecting businesses in India who aren’t scamming. These are good ideas in theory but in reality would never work. Not all VOIP provider’s are in the US. Extradition would likely take years and considering how many scammers there are, it wouldn’t make sense to extradite them all.
Keep in mind too that not all phone scams originate from India and they scam other countries other than the US.
Things happen; but those things take time, resources and requirements that need to be met. Theirs a lot of barriers and loopholes that need to be crossed to get things done. Raids happen, their are baiters who work with law enforcement and CBI down in India and the similar government entities we have here but things take time and we can’t take these down on a mass scale sadly.
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I don’t care about businesses in India. Let their economy pay the price for their government’s corruption. When mass layoffs happen because US companies leave, I am sure their authorities will change their tune. Some things can be done. Will it harm India’s economy? Sure, I couldn’t care less. If calling the US via VOIP becomes very expensive, it would greatly hinder scammers, and the benefits would outweigh any losses. Other countries with more effective governments could establish call centers to manage such communications. In my opinion, the lengthy extradition timeline is a deliberate tactic used by India. As I mentioned, a carrot-and-stick approach could pressure their corrupt government into taking appropriate action. Once again, this is just my view. In the meantime, I will do my part to stop as many scammers as possible.
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Action is being taken though. Theirs just so many, my friend in India got a few raids done and CBI does co-operate with the US. I do care about the workers who do work in legit call centers who are just trying to survive.
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I believe it’s frustrating to those doing the right thing, but moving call centers to countries with strong law enforcement would be the best solution. This way, we can avoid situations where the local police are essentially “on the payroll” of these scammers. Maybe when India is finally ready to take real action, some jobs will come back. I’ve seen videos where scammers are handcuffed but then released the same day; the arrests seem more like a publicity stunt than genuine enforcement. This is just my perspective, of course.
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