Your Scambaiting Work Matters - Why Weekends Always Seem Dry

I've been doing scambaiting for only the last couple of months. I'm an old programmer who has worked around large systems for a long time, and on a few projects I've worked on phone systems. I figured I'd give some advice and boost your spirits.

Most of you who are also new to this will discover that on the weekends--when you have the most free time--it seems like it's much harder to find working numbers. There's several reasons for this:

  • 1.

    There are a LOT more scambaiters who have free time on weekends than they have on weekdays

  • 2.

    Some scammers who impersonate government agencies and corporations limit their hours to business hours. This is more true for IRS/SSA than it is for Tech Support. There are some 24-hour scammers out there, but as it turns out two of them have made legal threats against this website. Despite that there's still IRS/SSA scammers who popup on weekends and Federal holidays because a dollar is still worth a dollar if you can get it.

  • 3.

    A scammer that does multiple types of scams (many do this) will switch around and go with whatever they feel makes money for them and not care what day it is. So they may give up on the long slog of tech support which only yields $400-$1,000 to spend hours trying for the bigger prize of scamming an elderly woman out of $5,000 who thinks she owes the IRS buckets.

  • Just remember one thing: on weekends there are far more scambaiters working the phones compared to a smaller size of active scammers. When many of us are running dry on numbers that answer it means we are winning, we're on top. That means on weekends a lot of the telecom network is relieved of the oppressive traffic scammers bring.

    It's normal and okay to go through a dry spell. There's chat, writing new scripts to try out on scammers, or working on a project like a voice modifier or learning how dialers work. I like to look for new bad phone numbers that are reported (FindWhoCallsYou) and test them.

    Sometimes I find crazy prosperity preachers or come across small-fry scammers that everybody missed because they're trying to not get noticed by NomoRobo and the other big call blocker/reporter tools. I try to pass those that I find on to here to Scammer.info, since it is the #1 resource for scambaiting. I don't care if 50 people pile on to a number I just posted and take it out---*that's the point*.

    The goal is to get these scammers off of the telecom system and raise the cost of scamming---by wasting the scammer's time so they're limited in the amount of money they can game off the network. Without us the telecom system would already be two feet in the grave. It's got one foot in the grave already.

    The telephone was a wonderful invention that brought the whole world together into one community 170 years ago. The phone system as we know it is dying, and quickly. I really only call 5 people routinely anymore. At work, everything is done with closed voice chat and most of my colleagues have switched off their direct DIDs--we no longer have telephones at our desk. The smartphone has now become an annoyance with over 50% of all calls on the telephone network are unwanted garbage. So most of us roll everything to voicemail, or we put our phones on silent and we use SMS to reach people in real time and email or social media to do routine contacts to our friends instead of the phone.

    Phone users have been running away from the network because it's mostly become an unhelpful annoyance.

    Just to be able to listen to music on my smartphone again I have had to route all my cell calls to my own phone switch, offer the call to a Jolly Roger bot, wait 4 seconds to see if Jolly Roger wants to pick it up (if the TrueCNAM score is 30 or worse), then check it against a blacklist I have, then check the caller ID against some patterns that I have expressly banned: no caller ID, out of country caller ID, toll-free area codes, and banning certain regions of the US like Phoenix/Tempe/Scottsdale, Washington DC and some other area codes where I know nobody legitimate calls me from there.... if it passes all those tests, the call is sent back to my cell phone using an app.

    That's cut the nuisance calls by 98% after a month of hard work. Now that my phone is free again, everyone I want to call lets all their calls roll to voicemail---so it's easier to send a text message anyway.

    The telecom companies don't seem interested in wanting to save the telephone network. Neither does the FCC, and it's STIR/SHAKEN protocol they have proposed has holes in it that let debt collectors have free reign to dump millions of calls on the network, and by extension those same holes left open for debt collectors will be there for carriers who dump scammer calls on to the network.

    We are the last people left who see value in the telecom system. We don't want our loved ones scammed. We're tired of picking up the phone and listening to some Indian lying his ass off about a bullshit refund or telling your mother she's going to jail for defrauding the IRS.

    So don't be gloomy that weekends are a bit on the dry side when numbers seem scarce. Scammers are busiest on Fridays. Indians tend to follow the US Eastern time zone (9AM Eastern to around 4PM) and then drop off. New Delhi is +05:30 from GMT and New York is typically -05:00GMT, so that sets up a work shift for an Indian from 7:30PM in their local time to 2:30AM.

    20 year old Indians can certainly work a full day, take a nap if needed, and then sit in an office with cockroaches scuttling about the floors til 2 in the morning. Our job as scambaiters is to make their second job feel worthless and soul-crushing, and to get their boss angry as they lose money and have trouble paying rent and the Indians in their sweatshop.

    I definitely take advantage of work-time off and also use my lunch breaks and dead time during my work day to scambait during peak times. Even if you can't do that, just know that every time you do make a call and get a bait started, even if it takes longer than normal because you're baiting off-peak, each call you make is one less call that Indian is going to make to ruin someone else's life, and it keeps that Indian off the telecom network harassing legitimate users of the system.

    Every call is worth it.

    Here here!

    One thing to note is that the reason why many numbers don’t work is because a large portion rely on others to find scammers for them. If you are calling a known scammer, they’re already on the guard. A number posted on scammer.info will receive hundreds of calls in an hour and will shutdown quickly. Many people’s efforts of trying to ‘find’ scammers is to go to scammer.info and nothing else. Those scammers are already found, you’re relying on the work of others.

    Please try and contribute to the community. Search Google/YouTube/DuckDuckGo for scammers. Search for phrases like "printer support toll free", turn off search filters and sort by most recent results. Look for websites offering technical support but fail to disclose or lie about company information such as their business name and address. Many scammers website use random fake addresses that are often houses or don't even exist.

    Thank you for your insight.

    I noticed the “refund” scammers are typically from Kolkata (based on their accents) and based on the IPs from RATting info by other scambaiters.

    Lately Noida/New Delhi area has become hub not only for tech scammers but also for SSA (Social Security). My observation is based on their accent/mannerism and frequent Punjabi curses. Almost half of the New Delhi population is Punjabi. Noida rents are the lowest.

    West Delhi is predominantly middle class/lower middle class Punjabis. Lately many tech scams call centers are springing there because of lower salaries compared to south Delhi salaries.

    Also during November-January the pollution level is extremely high in Delhi/Noida area and you consistently hear coughing an sniffling sounds of these scammers thus exposing their approx location.

    Also, learn how to Deep Google.

    Here's a quick cheat to find live active IRS/SSA during the daytime (they start around 9AM Eastern/New York time):

    type into google this:

    site:nomorobo.com +"social security"

    You can switch around your search to something like this ->

    site:nomorobo.com +"internal revenue"

    Then click on Tools -> and change the time to "Past 24 hours" to filter out the dead numbers and keep the recent ones. There you go---a report showing you which numbers have been hot over the past 24 hours, and it updates in real time if you refresh.

    You should be doing Nomorobo searches on your own and it should be part of your routine when you are dry and you're searching for hot numbers. When you find a hot number, you should share it and help the community out. The faster you get a hot number posted on scammer.info, the faster it can be taken out as the number gets raided.

    I also use the lists that HER posts every morning, the ADAROSS/BOBROSS bots and my own Twitter club I'm part of where some of my friends I've made there happen to get a much earlier start to the day and they go back and test numbers they've dialed recently to see if any of them are live again. But remember that every scambaiter sees those lists and jump on the numbers---which is a good thing (and you should jump on them too even if you get SIT and fast busy tones back)

    Another daily-list maker is Alogical on Twitter -> https://twitter.com/IamAlogical/status/1101629567817592832

    Some of the scambait Youtubers also share their numbers with everyone like Nikkivsscammers -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgLVjxtqIsM her Twitter handle is @nikkivsscammers (she shares the #s on her twitter)

    If you're on Twitter you should hook up with any number of the scambaiters on there and look at who they're tweeting at when they share a number and follow their followers and share numbers with them. I will also search Twitter for victims of scams and sometimes contact police departments (on their Twitter handles) who are posting helpful notices about scammers.

    I've gotten scammer numbers directly off of victims who received outbound calls and threatening voicemails. As a thank-you I've often sent back audio evidence of what I did to their scammer for their amusement. Victims of IRS/SSA scams are amazed at our ability to take out numbers.

    @drwat#77692 One of these days I would love to plant a cam in a scammer’s call center and do a split screen between a baiter and a scammer.

    Next time NeeP goes to Delhi we'll have to get him to leave a bouquet of flowers on someone's desk. :-)

    Scammers, especially American scammers, only work during weekdays to comply with FTC regulations. Many scam companies operate just inside the law. They rely on warm leads, surveys, and other gimmicks. Scammers who operate at night or on weekends would get slammed by the FTC so fast and have no defense against violating the rules. Scambaiting has little to no effect on them. They have no honor, they simply follow the FTC rules when convienent. Verizon is supposed to lauch a free blocking feature this month, I hope it is effective.

    @myjackcity#77796 The blocking service VZN is offering is just another robo killing app. AT&T already has a robo blocker it pushes on to subscribers (and it preloads the app on to customer’s phones).

    The blocker apps are fine, except they don't actually kill the call from going to the phone. It's difficult to explain how this works to non-programmers but it works like this:

  • 1. Scammer dialer originates call
  • 2. Scammer's carrier delivers the call to PSTN
  • 3. Your cell phone provider picks up the call, uses trace records to find which cell site you are at, sends command to locate, then ring
  • 4. Your cell phone's operating system receives a ring event from the GSM chip inside the phone.
    5a/5b iOS/Android will immediately forward the ring event to launch your phone's default phone app
  • 6. The ring event is passed up the OS stack for broadcast by any other listening apps (THIS is where Nomorobo/etc. find out you're receiving a call)
  • What happens next depends on your phone software. In many cases, your phone app will actually bring up to top or you see a phone notification reaction on your phone. But your robo killer app is busy examining the ring event data and if it's fast enough, it sends a hangup or decline command to your phone's operating system. Once it does that your robocall is "killed".

    This still means that if you're busy cropping a baby picture or listening to Spotify you will be thrown out of the app or you'll get a popup cover notification, or both... which is still the same psychological torture as not having a robo killing app at all.

    Believe me, once I built a method to kill the call before it can even reach my phone (and send known robocallers to torture/time-waster bots), I felt a hell of a lot better.

    Smartphone makers and Google/Apple don't seem intereted in allowing premium access to the GSM chip or to allow 3rd party apps to have direct access to the ringing event to kill calls before the default phone-dialing app even has a chance to react.

    http://scammer.info/d/6814-federal-action-against-scammers/26

    Well it is March and I am going to question Verizon about the service that was written about in the article.

    "Verizon recently announced a free call-blocking service that debuts in March. Verizon previously offered a "Caller Filter" service for $2.99 per month per line."

    Verizon just confirmed it will be free by March 31st.

    I have low expectations for the Verizon call filter feature free or otherwise. When it is offered for free, there is an acceptance of responsibility being made by Verizon to control the problem. It is absolutely within their control to track, identify, and kill scam calls. They chose not to because they make money on them. It will be great when they finally do end the scourge once and for all.