VPN's create MORE evidence, NOT LESS

So, if you go to Wal-mart to purchase a mask before killing someone… you’ve created MORE evidence and the police WILL find it. Just because your face is concealed at the murder scene doesn’t mean squat.

VPNs are Virtual Private Networks designed to conceal your computer's true IP address.

ATTN All Scammers: VPN's only create MORE evidence, NOT LESS. A VPN provider CAN AND WILL be used to testify against you because a VPN provider is also tracking your REAL IP address while they introduce their service to mask yours. Without VPN, it's just your word against mine. But because you are a stupid scumbag scammer your ignorance of this basic fact impels you to use a VPN. BAD IDEA!

The funny thing about criminals is that the more they try to hide evidence, the more evidence they are actually creating.

@ScamArrest#46954 Your points arent really valid because most VPN operators (paid ones atleast) don’t log data.

If you’ve got no vpn activated the scammer will be able to look up your real address, phone number and even your real name. If you follow Deeveeaar on Youtube you’ll see that sometimes he can get the scammer’s real ip address and even managed to call on his real phone number to scare him. That’s why most of them use a VPN as it ensures their seeming anonymity.

@ScamArrest#46954 Like what 1337mathster said your points make no sense. Any paid vpn providers will not log any data. Just don’t use a free vpn provider as those vpn providers sometimes sell your data to 3rd parties. Also if you don’t use a vpn, scammers can use your real ip to find out real information about you.

@ScamArrest#46954 Only bad VPNs like Betternet and HolaVPN do this. Pay money for a VPN and you’ll be fine. But we’re not the scammers here…unless of course you mean like scammers using VPNs to cover themselves up. Most of them don’t even know what a VPN is

@TheWildShadow55#47022 @WayneZengDaItGuy#47009 @gaspard#46998 @1337mathster#46984

Thanks guys for your input, but all of us are actually incorrect.

One cannot assume that a VPN provider will delete all records, nor can anyone assume that a VPN provider will save all records.

Note the points on this site: https://www.top10bestvpn.com/articles/do-vpns-monitor-user-activity

It specifically states: Never assume that all VPN services offer basically the same thing.

That site also states: But the actual information contained in the logs of a virtual private network, including the level of detail and how long they’ll hold on to it, varies depending on the service. Most logs will contain basic information about your IP address, the types of files you were accessing, the types of sites you were visiting and time stamps that indicate when these connections or file transfers were taking place.

This additional page also supports the statements in my initial post: https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/73816/can-you-still-be-tracked-when-using-a-vpn

There are many other sites that support my initial statement. Simply do a web search for: Does a VPN track people's activity

or do a web search for: Can I be tracked using VPN?

Even the police track VPN users: https://www.quora.com/How-does-the-police-track-VPN-users

The reality is if you REALLY think your web activity is hidden and secure, then you might find that you are living in a fantasy world. ALL internet traffic is tracked and logged. If it weren't then the terrorists would be able to do anything they want without fear of being tracked. As it is the governments stop hundreds/thousands of plots annually.

Scammers make millions of dollars a year..... as an industry, it's in the billions. I'm confident that some of them THINK their activities can be well hidden.

@ScamArrest#47032 Agreed.

@ScamArrest#47032 What you’re saying is true to an extent, however, there are ways to use VPN’s safely. Let’s look at people like Dread Pirate Roberts, if he had made better choices about when and where he conducted his business he would likely still be a free man. VPN’s don’t necessarily add a layer of anonymity, but if they are used properly, alongside other practices in anonymity they can definitely help. Also, I would recommend not using a VPN provder, but hosting your own with something like Algo or OpenVPN, at that point you have every bit of control over record retention and data security.

@TheWildShadow55 @WayneZengDaItGuy @gaspard @1337mathster

Also, according to this site: https://www.extremetech.com/internet/257214-supposedly-non-existent-vpn-logs-help-fbi-catch-internet-stalker

It clearly states: Despite PureVPN’s claim that it doesn’t keep records, the feds say the company was able to help ID Lin as the stalker.

Note also this site: https://gist.github.com/joepie91/5a9909939e6ce7d09e29

It also states: ""But my provider doesn't log!" There is no way for you to verify that, and of course this is what a malicious VPN provider would claim as well. In short: the only safe assumption is that every VPN provider logs."

"And remember that it is in a VPN provider's best interest to log their users - it lets them deflect blame to the customer, if they ever were to get into legal trouble. The $10/month that you're paying for your VPN service doesn't even pay for the lawyer's coffee, so expect them to hand you over."

There are tons of more examples of VPN providers getting subpoenaed by FBI and other law enforcement agencies.

NOTHING IS PRIVATE!! But it's fun to pretend? Dunno. :-)

@ScamArrest#47062 Just check out Cyberghost VPN. They don’t store logs. They are based in Germany and it is one of the strictest countries in the world to maintain people’s privacy. That’s why it is the only European country that Google Street View has not fully visited.