made tech support threads..get bored
made student loan scammers threads get bored
ssa , irs , etc , well here i am
Similar to those lead generators u call on scammer.info ..when old scam toll free numbers become free medical alert scams ( life protect 24/7) next comes the free vacation scam , done by the largest scam located here in the great United States of America in Pennsylvania
**Sundance Vacations - Book Rental Properties & Resorts Online**
https://www.sundancevacations.com
**Sundance Vacations - Book Rental Properties & Resorts Online**
**heres how it goes:**
-get people at carnivals and trade shows and vendor booths , car show lots , raffles
-call Everyone say u won a vacation to anywhere in usa for 3 days all expenses paid jus pay 65 dollars
-taxes fees usual bs
-u have to attend a 2-3 hour "timeshare like seminar" (which they say is 1 hour )
-they wont let u leave till u agree to there 3 yr brainwash contract
-its such a good deal u cant pass it up i will keep lowering the terms till u see its a great deal !
-then when u do have enough money to cover all the taxes and fees they make u jump thru hoops to finally figure out u have black out dates where u cant travel during holidays etc
then when u finally go to a holiday "package" u learn its a 2 star hotel
these ladies here are so demonic they know there company scams 1000s but they talk to u like ur a child, and pacify u to keep paying on there brainwash contract
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read the reviews and research , this is a company i call daily when i get tired of indian scam centers
front end numbers never change , company name is the same for 20 years!!! since it is a usa call center they seem to be able to semi block my spoofed calls from asterisk
they have the out of calling area error code, they do sometimes, pretty clever
have to resort to Sk$!e with caller id off lol
they do close there offices at 5pm
back end numbers used to work but i hit them so many times they shut em down
Back End: 18002910500
Back End: 18003097000
Back End: 18003096500
direct office lines
(570)-820-0900
(610)962-3700
(717)-651-1300
(412)-256-7140
(973)-265-0221
enjoy talking to american scammers ! its different
how these guys operate is beyond me and my american comprehension
read the yelp and see how they drained middle class americans out of there life savings
then call them in the morning and lunch
So, an in-house general counsel (a lawyer who works day-to-day at the company and has a cubicle there) contacted the BobRTC abuse line and submitted an abuse complaint. I'm not going to attach all the emails but I'll show you his most ridiculous one:
So I researched this company's legal history. The real name of this company is Dowd Marketing, named after its CEO John Dowd.
Sundance aka Dowd Marketing has a prolific history in Pennsylvania and in Federal court. What's probably the most shocking thing is that consumer lawsuits are the least of their concerns. Their primary source of litigation is ex-employees of Sundance suing the company they used to work for. Two complaints in particular I read through were from employees who claimed that were fired while they took FMLA.
And there's the lawyer. When we researched him, he is accepted before the bar of Pennsylvania and his license address is Sundance's HQ location.; Going through is history the first thing I spotted was a bankruptcy he filed around 2007-ish listing $25K in store cards, $130K in student loan debt and then I noticed this as his income:
To rack up the kind of debt that requires a $135K/yr salary to service as a young adult is.... interesting.
So from that touchstone it seems he's now at the zenith of his work career where he harasses websites who discuss his company's product openly.
We've already had a discussion with the lawyer over email, so I'll share some thoughts here.
Sundance Vacations has been in business for quite some time. Now, I found plenty of evidence online that this company used to be engaged in TCPA-violative automated dialing. From what I have found, they appear to have dropped that habit several years ago.
Is this company a scam? Well just about every local news outlet--from local TV stations and newsprint--when all of those various outlets independently and with no co-ordination looked at Sundance Vacations business practices, the result was the same: this company relies on hard-pressure sales and pushing people into consumer finance instruments they don't have time to understand.
This is what I call a *legal scam*, as in the company is behaving within the requirements of the law. If you look at it this way... consumers sign all sorts of crazy consumer contracts without reading them or understanding everything in it until way later. Ever bought a cell phone plan? Did you ever open up that 8-fold sheet and get out the magnifying glass to read all of it? That's kinda how this goes. Deliver a nothing presentation and then push deals in front of the consumers to see if they'll agree to any of them immediately.
The whole sales pitch falls apart when you say things like "I'll need to have my lawyer look at this before I decide to accept it."
And for you lawyers out there, the adjective *scam*, in the manner that I am using it, is a subjective opinion-commentary term. It's not a legal term.
Additionally: Sundance Vacations appears to be very bothered by people who left their sales pitch presentations and turned up in online comments calling it a scam. So much so that the company produced this YouTube video where Botox Chick and her votive candle try to set the SEO mood:
Now I'll circle back around and discuss this as it relates to BobRTC. After back and forth with this attorney representing Sundance Vacations, we at BobRTC agreed to yank the numbers deposited on the site by other users. Primarily for these reasons:
1) The company does not hide its identity. It's located in Wilkes-Barre, PA and is easily locatable, it's real and it exists. So is the CEO and the in-house attorney. While it isn't truly the legal entity that it really operates as (if you sue Sundance you're going to eventually get fought in court that you're suing the wrong entity and Dowd Marketing is the proper entity, forcing you to restate the claim), it's not a paper-shell meant to disguise a telephone scammer and frustrate a victim that's trying to research who is calling, like for instance it isn't using generic names such as "The Health Center" which obviously will lead to nowhere on Google and generic fake company names are the plaything of scammers.
2) This is the big one. It's not *presently* abusing the TCPA and hounding people with robodialing campaigns. While all the evidence I have collected indicates this company was experimenting with automated calls in the past, they aren't doing this now [if anyone has recent robocall samples showing to the contrary, we'd be happy to look at them]. If they were profligate TCPA violators I would have no problem telling the attorney to go fuck himself and, put Sundance on megablast. Any company that's simply getting its abusive TCPA-violative robocalls returned to it by scambaiters I support 100%.
Primarily because of No. 2, on BobRTC we've blocked Sundance because:
a) we're tired of Mr. Grochal and his Burger King law degree and his whining (weRe DoInG a VOnAGe INvEStiGaTiON, etc.)
b) while seeing consumers being bamboozled is upsetting, Sundance appears at face value to be doing it in a mostly-legal way---and they're going about it without harassing millions of telephone subscribers in the process.
Any consumer that feels that they have been treated unfairly by Sundance should really be going to the Pennsylvania Attorney General's office.
Here is where you can file a complaint directly:
https://www.attorneygeneral.gov/submit-a-complaint/
The company's Wilkes-Barre address:
264 Highland Park Boulevard
Wilkes Barre, PA 18702
And finally, adding your complaint to the long list of complaints at the BBB:
https://www.bbb.org/us/pa/wilkes-barre/profile/travel-club/sundance-vacations-inc-0241-235967143
That's right kids... 124 BBB reports in just the past 3 years. 
@iScam#115519 if you read Mr. Grochal’s second paragraph very, very carefully… he admitted flat out that he intends to file a claim knowing full-well that individuals he selects to be party to his lawsuit he knows are not party to the calls (his first email not printed here claimed that people were harassing an employee at Sundance to where that employee had to file a police report).
I have some information that VERY strongly suggests that no such police contact was made by anyone at Sundance Vacations at any time during the subject period the lawyer was complaining about; I'm not going to go into how I know that---but after I made some calls I could tell the lawyer had a very weak poker hand.
And then he just blew his wad by stating on the record that he's going to file a frivolous lawsuit anyway if we don't acquiesce to his demands. I happen to know some law about the state where Sundance is in, and Pennsylvania has a law known as the Dragonetti Act. You can read more about this law here:
https://www.law.com/thelegalintelligencer/2019/09/12/the-dragonetti-act-a-tale-of-statutory-interpretation/?slreturn=20190928221053
PA is a weird state. It doesn't have SLAPP protection except if the subject at hand has to do with environmental regulations/law or policy. Instead what it has is this tool that you can use AFTER you get rid of the frivolous lawsuit, where you turn the tables back on the entity that sued you---and you can also include the lawyer who represented the client as a party to the lawsuit. This puts his own malpractice insurance in jeopardy of getting a claim.
Basically what this lawyer did straight away was admit at face value that he intends to go to court to raise a claim that will most certainly meet the tests described in the Dragonetti Act. The tests are pretty simple:
a) The parties who filed the frivolous lawsuit knew that the claim was meritless
b) Evidence shows this (usually it's in the form of written communication, in this case it's the email above)
c) The parties made their intent known that what they were doing is lawfare.
"Even though you were not ____ " ... followed by "this is going to be very expensive for you" in the delivery of the threat is quite a juvenile mistake.
Either way, the lawyer's screaming didn't save Sundance Vacations from the BobRTC phonebook. We chose to remove it because it doesn't match the pattern of fraud that primarily revolves coercion over the telephone. BobRTC after all is a platform intended to combat telephone fraud.
That's why we don't bother with matrimony listing, email and Craiglist scams. If baiting those is your things--more power to ya. Our shop is a bit more selective in what we target.
@kenzo#115514 probably the best research ive seen , at point like @drwat …
"legal scam" = same thing in india
the local goverment all know there scam
everyone gets a piece of it ,believe me
from frank to there lawyer to the court system
yes they sign the contract willingly BUT with coercion and deceit, fake terms and switch and bait bs
..knowingly
enron and bernie madoff lasted decades because everyone was getting a piece of it
this is a shame , here in usa , fuckin shame , reminding me of india rite about now
“The police have listened in on these calls themselves”
lol , i told u
everyone
from him to lawyers to court to police to local senators
its funny to see the differences and similarities btw indian and usa scammers
they both pretend they cant hear u sometimes or do transfer and dead line tricks
but the main difference..indians arent suprised about me and my dedication
these american people they hear my voice and fear my dedication and commitment and money i spend on developers just for this ...they actually asked me many times today. why i do this , lol
because im american i believe in right and wrong
and u turned into those indians i know
one day ur country , usa , will become like india
when theres no right and wrong
when theres lawyers and attorneys and corrupt police
when u dont care about scamming old grannys life savings
when u become corrupt and use terms like legal scams
usa will become like the country i escaped