Reported to openmarket
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Because scammers do not buy directly from telecoms anymore. They buy numbers through second and third hand sellers that set up the accounts for the scammers and then charge them a premium. It is very difficult to get a Telnyx number, even if you go through KYC. The scammers cannot pass these requirements and so they go through number mules who pay other people with ID’s to set up the accounts for the scammers.
Since Telnyx got sued, this is what they implemented and this is why and how scammers get past the KYC checks. These British scammers are using the same number mules to buy these accounts. Every number that gets shut down, is more money that the scammers lose. Telnyx was once awful at fraud response, they are much better now. You should judge the telecom by how they handle fraud rather than the amount of numbers that scammers use since there are MANY number mules all over Facebook, telegram, whatsapp etc… that sell these accounts to scammers.
Reseller markets are a huge part of the scam industry.
Onvoy isn’t a telecom anymore and hasn’t been for years. It was sold off and bought by Intelliquent who was later bought out by Sinch. Those Onvoy numbers are actually on different telecoms, telecoms all of us already know. Onvoy is merely a pool that various telecoms get numbers from these days.
A lot of the Onvoy numbers that used to be on refund scams were actually numbers from MS Teams. Yes. The same MS Teams that replaced Skype. Other providers like Vonage, Text Now, Go Text Me, Text Plus, Pinger, Peerless and Talkatone, all use Onvoy numbers and they are always residential numbers.
The biggest problem here is that public look up doesn’t always disclose that information. If you were contact all but Talktaone and MS teams directly, those Onvoy numbers get shut down by those providers instead of having to go through the Sinch network/Sinch webform, assuming you know that it’s on those telecoms.
There is no way to contact MS Teams directly, so you have to use the Sinch webform, which doesn’t have the option to submit screenshots or other evidence and Talkatone flat out refuses to do anything about fraud in general.
The reason why Sinch appears to do nothing is because the numbers are on different telecoms. That’s the loophole. The calls go through the Sinch network but they don’t “own” the numbers.
You need to convince Sinch to dump talktaone and convince Microsoft to update their lookup data so that it appears as “MS Teams” and they should have their own portal for reporting those numbers to them. Scammer reseller groups advertise MS Teams regularly and yes, scammers do have to buy 360 as part of the deal and price tag. Forget about the FTC. They do not have a clue as to what’s really going on nor do they understand how scammers are actually buying these numbers.
I cannot agree more with this statement. As regards your other comment, it is nearly impossible to obtain info on the end users or telcos using Sinch numbers…. I have tried it many, many times, and there is no response from Sinch. They cite CPNI and won’t do anything without the subpoena.
I have nothing kind to say about Peerless Network/InfoBip. I received 4 illegal robocalls from their customer today. All were bogus IRS scams. I reported them but I do not have much confidence in getting a response from this carrier. I know that it is likely from their resellers‘ end users in Pakistan or India. However, there is no way for me to find out who the end users are. So, it is a mess.
Again, I agree 100%. At its core the issue is rooted in enabling foreigners to contact the US public freely. Let’s face it, Tim: What business do people from India, Pakistan and Philippines, for example, have calling an average American or British person? And why exactly are foreign-based resellers allowed to use US numbers so easily? In my opinion, the solution must be strictly political.
There are other ways to obtain that info without asking Sinch for it. You have to get creative. My work is all telecom based and I can tell you, that many residential numbers on various telecoms are not routed through their networks at all.
RingCentral for example, their residential numbers go through one of 3 different telecoms, Bandwidth being one of them and if SMS is enabled, that services is supplied by Sinch. It’s like that for many residential numbers on VOIP. Google Voice all goes through the Bandwidth network. Like Microsoft, you can’t contact google directly, so you have to contact Bandwidth. Skype was also on Bandwdith and Lumen.
These companies don’t “own” the networks, they go through different ones.
A lot of the resellers are actually in the United States. Why? because their ID mules are also there. While resellers are also overseas, many of them are in the US. The reseller market has no borders and unlike the scam call centers, they aren’t endemic to certain countries. The reseller market is unregulated. You can become a reseller as well. It’s that unregulated. It really goes beyond those countries you mentioned and beyond the telecoms now.
We’re talking about scammers paying up to 3 figures for an entire account now, and that’s not including the price for the pop up/email campaign, and the call back numbers. Resellers are making a lot of money and they are not bound to the countries that the scammers mostly operated from. A lot has changed in 5 years. You have to go beyond blaming India at this point. This is global now. UK and Europeans are also targeted because the market is so high now.
Yes, many resellers are domestic. Yet, the actual fraudulent call centers are primarily in the 3 nations: India, Pakistan and the Philippines. Even Commsrisk is very open about it.
Not to mention, many obnoxious robocalls are not necessarily fraudulent in nature. For example, I routinely receive numerous robocalls from spoofed and non-spoofed numbers trying to sell me alarms, car warranties, loan solutions etc. Many of them are done by offshore lead generators who will then route my calls to a domestic or offshore call center to sell a legitimate product or service. Needless to say, they violate TCPA and TSR, but they don’t care. They are usually contracted by a shady US business to do it. And yes, US firms play a huge role here; in fact, they are primarily at fault. In instances when I can find out what US business is behind the entire scheme, I sue. Nonetheless, it is not exactly easy: they are taught to avoid answering questions directly or disclosing the website of their puppeteers.
Hopefully, the legislative and enforcement pressure will increase on these bad actors soon.
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It’s the usual British group.
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