I can’t add much to what you said as I concur on everything. I’d like to throw google in the mix also as those scumbags facilitate so much scam on their search engine and then ignore when informing them. They need an additional suit against them making them liable. But as @scamterminator2021 so expertly noted yesterday, our gov dirt dogs do nothing!
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Thank you, @Jhawk and @Tillianne! I am glad that you are seeing a big picture, as well! It’s the greed of telecom combined with utter ineptitude of our authorities that created this nasty mess!
I’ll tell you what, I know people in Sweden, Germany, Finland and few other EU nations. They almost never get robocalls. Do you know why? Simple: NO spoofing is allowed and NO foreigners can purchase their domestic numbers (unless they go through rigorous and demanding process of establishing local offices in said nations). Period. Consequently NO Indian, Filipino, Nigerian or Pakistani criminals pollute their telecom industry with their imbecilic nonsense. And I agree! I want NONE of their poisonous bullshit in the US either and they have absolutely NO reason to call an average American person.
Here are some great articles from a respected industry analyst:
Zero Trust: Why Europe Is Beating the USA in the War on Telecoms Scams | Commsrisk
New Belgian Law to Block Inbound International Calls That Spoof Domestic Numbers | Commsrisk
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Hi. It has been awhile since anyone made posts on this thread. Do you happen to have any updates on our lovely “friends” at Onvoy? How is it going with your case?
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I’m sorry to disappoint you brother, I wish I could talk about it but I can’t.
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not sure if you are allowed to say, but did the demand letter work? i have gotten over 50 calls from onvoy numbers that they refuse to stop…
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You are correct in your assumption that I’m not allowed to talk about it. I’m sorry man.
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Onvoy/Inteliquent appears to have some “history”, to put it mildly. So does Twilio, for example. I think our best bet is massive class-action lawsuits against entities turning a blind eye to illicit robocalls on their networks. Here are some recent developments that are worth pointing out:
Twilio Sued in Class Action TCPA Lawsuit
New Lawsuit Seeks To Hold Twilio Responsible For Allegedly Illegal Robocalls
It might be a good idea to contact some of these attorneys to explore some options 
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I am personally ALWAYS in favor of holding unethical and complacent carriers accountable! We have to make it extremely troublesome and costly for them to enable such bad behaviors legally. It is sickening and tiresome that some VOIP carriers’ avarice and laziness have been contributing to the demise of the US telephone network and the loss of 50+ billion USD annually to scammers. We must NOT fear calls from unknown numbers, just because there is some Habib Kumar Chopra somewhere in Bangalore who’s placing billions of illegal robocalls from his filthy little basement. Questions in that regard are:
- Why are such “Habibs”, “Sanjeevs” and “Kumars” even allowed access to the US telephone network? I certainly want nothing to do with them or their countries. I think I am not alone. And no, I’d rather pay more for quality products which are not made in India or Pakistan. Nor do I want any call centers in their countries.
- Why are our carriers providing services to them not held criminally or at least civilly liable?
- Why is the Western world not putting the diplomatic, economic and possibly military pressure on the three biggest known offenders? Yes, I am talking of India, Pakistan and the Philippines.
@Tillianne @Jhawk @MajorLeeAwesome @SouthernCulture_x @ScammerBaits @HorseVG @LordOfTheRings @Sol @T-Rex - see some links in my post above about lawsuits taking place. Some interesting developments there!
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The next BIG investigation I’m working on is another large dollar fraud being run by Americans and utilizing overseas call centers. This one involves Central and South American nations, as well as Filipino call centers for around the clock 24 hour calls.
I have been looking into these scumbastards for over 2.5 years.
I got totally pissed off a few months ago when I came home from hospital and they were close to 6,000 active toll free numbers. I called them and asked to speak to a management level representative or someone who would relay a message to the senior management very quickly.
I asked the dickhead on the line what their phone number was, to which he said the TWO numbers on their website. I then replied but you have 4 websites under 4 different company names and I’ll send you a sample of one thousand of the 6000 active numbers you have in operation for this absolute bullshit.
I also told them what I knew about what they were doing
Well, I think the panic button was face slammed very hard because within the next 24 hours every single one of the known active numbers had been disconnected.
And they thought they could hide from me with the new load of numbers which are absolutely necessary for this crap to work.
I’ve only spent 5 or 6 hours and have located the areas where they’ve populated their new toll free number cache, mostly in different TF prefixes this time around. So far I’ve logged just over 2000 new numbers they’ve opened.
Looking at their websites the numbers they all have, all house the menu of one entity (no alarm bells there at all), with a handful of random numbers having the name of each entity on the very similar sounding menus.
They’re going to be really pissed when I play the same “hey guess what I know” game again with them.
I wonder if they’ll close this lot down again just as quickly.
The volume of numbers being used for fraud daily is ridiculous and aren’t hard to find at all when you know where and what to look for.
Any company with more than what I consider a reasonable amount of numbers, I pay close attention to.
There are dozens of operations in that “of interest group” of having far in excess of 100 toll free numbers, several of them well into the thousands.
The measures they take to ensure they fly under the call traffic detection radar for inbound calls stands out a mile.
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